Frederick George Manby - Saltley Reformatory Inmate
| No. in Admissions Register: | 941 |
| Age: | 13 years 6 months |
| Whence received: | H M Prison Ipswich |
| Description: | |
| Complexion: | Fresh |
| Hair colour: | Light brown |
| Eyes colour: | Brown |
| Height: | 3 ft 5 ins |
| Particular marks: | Nil |
| State of health: | Good |
| Able-bodied? | Yes |
| Date of admission: | 1889 |
| Late residence: | 4 Prince Street, Sudbury, Suffolk |
| Parish he belongs to: | St Peters, Sudbury |
| Customary work and mode of life: | None - a schoolboy |
| Whether illegitimate: | No |
| State of education: | |
| Reads: | Imperfectly |
| Writes: | Imperfectly |
| Offence: | Stealing 10 lbs of lead and a wakecock |
| Circumstances which may have led to it: | - |
| Date of sentence, by whom and court: | 28 October 1889; R S Joy, Mayor; Sudbury Petty Sessions |
| Where imprisoned: | H M Prison Sudbury [error for Ipswich] |
| Sentence: | 10 days in prison, 2 years 6 months [until 16] at Saltley |
| Previous committals: | |
| Number: | None |
| Length: | - |
| For what: | - |
| Father's name: | Arthur Manby |
| Occupation: | Stone mason |
| Mother's name: | Ellen Manby |
| Occupation: | Charwoman |
| Parents dead? | No |
| Survivor married again? | - |
| Parents' treatment of child: | "Says" good |
| Character of parents | Nothing reported against them |
| Parents' wages: | Not reported |
| Amount parents agree to pay: | Not reported |
| Parents address: | 4 Prince Street, Sudbury, Suffolk |
| Superintendent of police (to collect payments): | - |
| Person making this return: | - |
| Notes: | |
| 30 October 1889 There is a report two court cases, one of them for his crime and the other as a witness, in the Sussex and Essex Free Press Wednesday 30 October 1889 p.6 col.3: A BOY SENT TO A REFORMATORY. Frederick George Manby (13 years) appeared on bail, charged with stealing a piece of leaden pipe and a high pressure water-cock from premises on the Market Hill. - Mr T. Bates prosecuted for the police. - Arthur East, Market Hill, boot-manufacturer, deposed: At the back of my place there is a large unoccupied warehouse. The property belongs to Mr. Maw. I did not go into the workshop or warehouse about once week I went in last Wednesday evening, the 23rd inst., and noticed that the leaden water-pipe with a tap attached had been cut off, and taken away. I reported the case to the police. I know the Defendant, and have seen him about the premises. He was employed about the premises by Mr. Cardinal! to see after some dogs. On Thursday I saw the defendant in company with P.c. Sharp, when the piece of pipe now produced was produced by the police officer. I examined it with the rest of the pipe on the wall and the breaking off exactly corresponded. The boy made a statement and said he had sold it to a man, and said he had a penny for it. - By the Bench; The pipe on the wall was the property of Mr. Maw. - P.C. Sharp deposed: On Thursday morning last. I saw the prisoner who was seeing after some dogs on Mr. Maw's premises on the Market Hill. I spoke to him about the lead. The lead and the tap now produced were there then. They weigh about 11 lbs. I should think the value is about 5s. The Prisoner said he broke it down and sold it to a man named George Herbert, who is known as "Cordell.? - By Mr. Whorlow: The boy made that statement voluntarily. - Evidence continued: He said he had a penny for it. I had the pipe and tap from Mr. Jay's, Station Road. I compared it with the remaining pipe on the wall and it corresponded. Mr. East was there at the time. - The Prisoner pleaded guilty. - While the Magistrates were out of Court consulting, Supt Sach called the man Herbert, who has the "soubriquet" of Cordell or Caudle, who was in the body of the Court and charged him with receiving the lead and tap, well knowing it to have been stolen, adding, "You must now step into the dock.? - On the Magistrates returning into Court, the Superintendent informed them what had been done, and they decided to hear the case before they pronounced sentence on the former one.<> | |
| RECEIVING STOLEN GOODS KNOWING THEY WERE STOLEN. George Herbert alias "Caudle,'' (34), rag and bone collector, Heard's yard, Cross Street, was then placed in the dock charged with buying a piece of lead and tap of Fred. George Manby, knowing them to be stolen. - Mr. Bates, in prosecuting said he had remarked at the opening of the previous case if were there no receivers, there would be no thieves, and if there were less receivers there would be fewer thieves. In the present case the defendant stood charged with buying for a penny the lead and tap off a mere child, and taking all the circumstances into account, he must have well known that they could not have been come by honestly. He had no right to buy such things of such a boy without enquiring how he came by them. Another charge might be preferred against him, for though apparently it was not generally known, no one had any right to buy lead under 112 lbs in weight, or brass under 56 lbs., for it was an offence at law to buy these metals in such small quantities. The lead was afterwards sold by the prisoner to Mr Jay, who would be called, and would tell the Bench what he gave for it. - Frederick George Manby was called and deposed: I am 13 years of age and live at home with my father I have been working for Mr. Cardinall, attending to his greyhounds, which were kept in a warehouse at the back of Mr. East's, on the Market Hill. I have pleaded guilty to the charge of stealing the lead, pipe, and tap produced. I put them in the dog's place, and prisoner came up the lane in the morning about 12 o'clock on Tuesday and asked me whether I had got anything to sell. I had sold him things before. He came into the premises in the afternoon of the same day. I told him to come about four o'clock, which he did. I took the lead and tap from the dog's place. Prisoner saw me take them out. They were not covered up. I asked him how much he would give me, and he gave me a penny. He did not ask me where I got the lead from. - Cross-examined by prisoner: You came every morning to ask me whether I had anything to sell. It is quite true what I have said. You gave me 3d., 1d. for the lead and 2d. for the saucepan. You did not ask me where I got them from. You laughed about it. You did not ask where I got the lead from. It was not iron but lead. I sold you a few bones the same afternoon, as well as the other things. - Re-examined: I took 3d. of the prisoner that day, 1d. for the lead and 2d, for a saucepan. - Jacob Jay, Station Road, painter, plumber, &c., deposed: The prisoner came to my shop last week, on Tuesday or Wednesday and produced this piping and tap and asked what it was worth. I put it on the scale and weighed it, and told him it was worth a shilling. I gave him a shilling and he went out. - By the Defendant: I told you a shilling was more than it was worth. I always thought you were an honest man. - P.c. Sharp deposed : On Thursday last I met the prisoner on the Market Hill, and asked if he had bought anything of a boy named Manby. He said, "Yes." I then cautioned him, and asked whether he had anything to say, and he said, "I bought two or three lots of bones of him, some last week and some the week before." ! asked him whether he had bought anything else, and he said "Yes, I bought some old iron, and lead pipe, and a tap off him." I asked him "When," and he said, "On Tuesday," and said "I gave him 3d. for the lot. I sold the old iron to Mr Andrews for 3d., and the pipe to Mr. Jay for a shilling. There was an iron saucepan and a broken-up fender." I went to Mr. Jay's, and received from him the piping I now produce. - The Prisoner first elected to be tried by a jury, and was accordingly committed for trial at the next Quarter Sessions of the Borough. He afterwards withdrew his plea, and said he wished to be tried by the Bench, and pleaded guilty to buying the lead, but he did not know it was stolen. He had nothing further to say. - The Magistrates retired to consult, and on their return the Mayor asked the Superintendent whether he knew anything of the antecedents of the lad Manby. - The Superintendent said he was a bad boy and had been a great trouble to his parents. The police had had complaints about him, but had never been brought up. His father had flogged him but could do nothing with him. - The Mayor (to Mr Hodson, the School Attendance Officer, who was in Court): Has there been any trouble with him about attending school? - Mr Hodson: Yes, a great deal of trouble for years past. - The lad was then sentenced to 10 days' imprisonment, and afterwards to be sent to the Ipswich Reformatory for 2½ years, till he was 16 years of age. - The other Prisoner was committed for six weeks' imprisonment with hard labour. | |
| 7 February 1890 The Medical Officer reported: Influenza | |
| 6 July 1890 The Medical Officer reported: Eczema of ear | |
| 5 May 1892 Sentence expired, discharged from Saltley | |
| 3 February 1894 The Reformatory Committee Log Book report records receipt of a letter from Manby [first name given as just George], Sudbury, Suffolk | |
| 11 December 1894 The Log Book report records receipt of a letter from Manby, Sudbury, Suffolk | |
| 10 April 1900 The Log Book report records receipt of a letter from Manby, South Africa [the Boer War was underway at this time] | |
| 30 May 1900 The Log Book report records receipt of a letter from Manby, Bloemfontein, South Africa | |
| 12 February 1901 The Log Book report records receipt of a letter from Manby South Africa | |
| 7 June 1901 The Log Book report records receipt of a letter from Manby, Field force, South Africa | |